The organization called "Numbers USA" has been lobbying for years to reduce the number of legal immigrants that can enter the country in a single year. As you can imagine, they were overjoyed at President Trump's new push to reduce that number.
"But we can't enforce the laws already on the books," challenged listeners. Numbers USA Founder Roy Beck answered that question and a number of other "devil's advocate" queries that I lobbed at him in this wide-ranging interview.